I thought its because those games are released on Disc. Majority of the games that are Digital Distribution seems to get a bit more flak on Xbox Live Marketplace then compared to the Playstation Network.
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Arcana Heart 3 for the Xbox 360?
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Reading through this topic, who even knows the reason anymore...
So many things to consider...
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Posted 11 months ago # -
ValkyriaXEdge
Memberblazblue suggests said:
It should be on xbox 360 cause everyone is moving to 360 due to ps network beening not trusted because of it been hacked.LOL whoa whoa whoa chill out there bro don't know where you got that info from but you are sadly mistaken
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Posted 11 months ago # -
Hollow_Ninja
MemberSusanooh said:
Reading through this topic, who even knows the reason anymore...So many things to consider...
My educated guess for the reason is that the Xbox version went over the size limit for an XBL download. It's unlikely that MS would make an exception, they'd require a disc version instead. Trouble is, the PS3 version is not going to get a disc release without a dub.
So they made it PS3 exclusive to avoid a repeat of Agarest. And honestly, if my guess is right, then Aksys could have easily released a 360 version. The reason the Agarest thing was a big deal was not because one console had a disc and the the other a download, but rather than one console had an LE and the other didn't.
Posted 11 months ago # -
RedEagleEX
MemberActually this has been discussed already Hollow_Ninja.
Only Xbox Live Arcade (XBLA) has a restricted file of about 4GBs. (Their old policy for XBLA size restrictions on games no longer exist now. Its theoritcaly unlimited. However...due to how XBLA File Structure is setup, 4GB is THE max. No exceptions.)
Games on Demand however has No Restrictions (Because they run on a different file structure then XBLA.)
At first we assumed Games on Demand games could only appear here if the game also has a retail release (Disc Version basically). However...
Deathsmiles II X got approved for Games on Demand and is out now without a retail release. Also the Resident Evil HD Remakes coming out soon will be released on Games on Demand Only, no retail release at all.
As for the Dub thing...I thought this got debunked? Yakuza 2 (On PS2), Yakuza 3, and Yakuza 4 (Both on PS3) shipped on disc without any english dubbing at all.
Right now, the assumption is that a handful of games (Doesn't matter what system its on.) either has its voices removed or dubbed over because of 2 things:
1) Unable to use the Japanese voices because of rights issue.
2) Its simply cheaper to dub the game in English Only (Or whatever the Native Language is)rather then buying the rights to use the Japanese Voices.Posted 11 months ago # -
Dan Druff
MemberRedEagleEX said:
As for the dub thing, I thought this got debunked. Yakuza 2 (PS2), Yakuza 3, and Yakuza 4 (both on PS3) shipped on disc without any English dubbing at all.Right now, the assumption is that a handful of games (doesn't matter what system it's on) either has its voices removed or dubbed over because of 2 things:
1) Unable to use the Japanese voices because of rights issue.
2) It's simply cheaper to dub the game in English only (or whatever the Native Language is) rather than buying the rights to use the Japanese Voices.3D games made by bigger companies can get away with stuff like that, not 2D games made by smaller companies. Arcana Heart 3 is on PSN because it is 2D without English voices. Arcana Heart 3 is not on XBOX 360 or Blu-Ray because Aksys Games would have to lose money printing discs and manuals for a game that will not sell enough to make a profit. Aksys Games are clearly not to blame for the lack of Arcana Heart 3 on XBOX 360, but Arcana Heart 3 will not sell if people cannot get over the fact that the game is technically sound despite the characters. Fans of niche titles have to lower their expectations; they can't always have what they want. The most they can hope for is that other people who follow fighting games at least know what Arcana Heart 3 is even if they can never play it on XBOX 360 in America.
Posted 11 months ago # -
RedEagleEX
MemberHuh? Bigger Companies can't get away with it at all. What the heck you talking about? o_O
I mean take a look at Capcom and Mega Man Legends Series for PSOne.
Capcom: Mega Man Legends can't come to PSN due to licensing: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/20/capcom-mega-man-legends-cant-come-to-psn-due-to-licensing/
The game was released in english developed by Capcom, Published by Capcom...yet they can't even release this game because "it failed an I.P. sweep and a contract check".
What contract and IP check portion failed? "intellectual properties and voice acting performances".
Even games on XBLA is constantly pulled because of mainly rights issues too. Take Sega's Outrun Online Arcade. They had to remove it off XBLA because they didn't renew their license with Ferrari. (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/12/outrun-online-arcade-removed-from-psn-xbla-version-coming-down/)
Posted 11 months ago # -
Dan Druff
MemberThis forum doesn't allow me to edit my own posts. I stand corrected, then. One of the biggest problems with bringing back older games is licensing. I guess certain games were only meant to exist at a certain point in time. I only meant to quote the part about dubbing and the lack of English voices, not the part about licensing. Anyway, the point of this thread is to discuss (the lack of) Arcana Heart 3 for XBOX 360 in America. Perhaps we may never know why the game isn't available (yet), but I don't think Aksys Games didn't try.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Hollow_Ninja
MemberRedEagleEX said:
As for the Dub thing...I thought this got debunked? Yakuza 2 (On PS2), Yakuza 3, and Yakuza 4 (Both on PS3) shipped on disc without any english dubbing at all.You misunderstand the way the system works. Not including an English dub decreases the chances of SCEA approving a game. Yakuza's only fault was that it was dubbed in a foreign language, which probably lost them some points, but in the end, they scored high enough to make it through QA. Arcana Heart is 2D, which would count as another strike against it in QA. If Sony doesn't approve a game in its QA the first time, then they almost never reconsider their decision for a later resubmission.
Posted 11 months ago # -
RedEagleEX
MemberHollow_Ninja said:
You misunderstand the way the system works. Not including an English dub decreases the chances of SCEA approving a game. Yakuza's only fault was that it was dubbed in a foreign language, which probably lost them some points, but in the end, they scored high enough to make it through QA. Arcana Heart is 2D, which would count as another strike against it in QA. If Sony doesn't approve a game in its QA the first time, then they almost never reconsider their decision for a later resubmission.Are you sure you are not misunderstanding how the system works? Or rather don't know how the system works?
Because I will admit, I don't know how the WHOLE system works because I could never find information about how the WHOLE system works. Just parts of it from various credible sources that I stumbled upon.
With that cleared away...can you Hollow_Ninja provide me "credible source" that will change my mind and make me agree with what you are saying? Its not like I don't believe you, its just that I literally can not find anything outside of random forum users and comments on the internet stating what you said.
Also, seeing how you literally threw away my example of Yakuza Series. Can I give you another example then?
Rival Schools
The game released in North America on a Sony console with Japanese Voices and English Subtitles ONLY. There is no English Dubbing at all. Infact this example I gave you pretty much matches Arcana Hearts 3 as they are both fighting games, both have stories voice in Japanese, and...both have no English Dubbing. However there is one important difference. Rival Schools got a Retail Release.
Based on what you been telling me, Rival Schools should have never came into North America as is then.
Posted 11 months ago # -
RedEagleEX said:
Are you sure you are not misunderstanding how the system works? Or rather don't know how the system works?Because I will admit, I don't know how the WHOLE system works because I could never find information about how the WHOLE system works. Just parts of it from various credible sources that I stumbled upon.
With that cleared away...can you Hollow_Ninja provide me "credible source" that will change my mind and make me agree with what you are saying? Its not like I don't believe you, its just that I literally can not find anything outside of random forum users and comments on the internet stating what you said.
Also, seeing how you literally threw away my example of Yakuza Series. Can I give you another example then?
Rival Schools
The game released in North America on a Sony console with Japanese Voices and English Subtitles ONLY. There is no English Dubbing at all. Infact this example I gave you pretty much matches Arcana Hearts 3 as they are both fighting games, both have stories voice in Japanese, and...both have no English Dubbing. However there is one important difference. Rival Schools got a Retail Release.
Based on what you been telling me, Rival Schools should have never came into North America as is then.
Rival Schools was over ten years ago. Sony's policies have changed somewhat since then.
Though they've always been tough on 2D games. Arc The Lad took YEARS to get over here, and even then it wasn't Sony (the actual publisher in Japan) that brought it over, but Working Designs.
Posted 11 months ago # -
RedEagleEX
MemberHaha aye. Thats the best answer people gives me because they told me so and I should believe them.
However I have to be very clear that I am not saying they are lying. If anything, call me skeptical about that subject.
I mean some things that Hollow_Ninja gave me I seen before from interviews before that I read. For example Look at Hollow_Ninja sentence right here:
"If Sony doesn't approve a game in its QA the first time, then they almost never reconsider their decision for a later resubmission."
It looks like he simply took the qoute from NIS America's President interview with Siliconera and then related what he read from that interview to Arcana Hearts.
Siliconera:"Uh-oh. What’s the fate of Sakura Wars in North America then? I see a lot of my readers are hoping for Sakura 1+2 for PSP."
Haru Akenaga: "Another publisher tried to get approval from Sony for Sakura Wars 1+2 for PSP, but it was rejected. Once a title is rejected by SCEA there is almost no chance to release the title."
As for JasonPaul. His mentioning of Arc The Lad is true...to a point. I recall I read an article about Arc The Lad and Working Designs struggles with it. I went ahead and found it again:
Source: http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=wdinterview&pagenum=1
Sony did reject it before...but not because its 2D. Its because...and I qoute from this interview: "We tried to license Arc I way back when, but we failed because the "powers that were" at Sony US decided they didn't need any RPGs on their platform because they didn't sell (hah!)"
Not once did he mention its because its "2D".
People DO have some truth to what they say. But I always like to see their source on how they got to that conclusion.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Hollow_Ninja
MemberRedEagleEX said:
Are you sure you are not misunderstanding how the system works? Or rather don't know how the system works?Because I will admit, I don't know how the WHOLE system works because I could never find information about how the WHOLE system works. Just parts of it from various credible sources that I stumbled upon.
With that cleared away...can you Hollow_Ninja provide me "credible source" that will change my mind and make me agree with what you are saying? Its not like I don't believe you, its just that I literally can not find anything outside of random forum users and comments on the internet stating what you said.
Also, seeing how you literally threw away my example of Yakuza Series. Can I give you another example then?
Rival Schools
The game released in North America on a Sony console with Japanese Voices and English Subtitles ONLY. There is no English Dubbing at all. Infact this example I gave you pretty much matches Arcana Hearts 3 as they are both fighting games, both have stories voice in Japanese, and...both have no English Dubbing. However there is one important difference. Rival Schools got a Retail Release.
Based on what you been telling me, Rival Schools should have never came into North America as is then.
I didn't throw away your Yakuza example. I merely stated why Yakuza is not a fair analogy to use.
Sony's become harder on retail games now that digital distribution exists. That's why Rival Schools made it to retail. That was 10 years ago, anyways, so it's not relevant anymore.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Hmm... sometimes I find it hard to tell if the current conversation relates to the topic sometimes...
I have no evidence to support this claim, but this is just me on the current conversation.
Policies have to change at some point as technology changes.
I don't think in the time of rival schools or yakuza 2, the idea of digital downloads existed. (Well, their was, but in that event, we'd have to play these on a possibly under powered PC.)
Thinking back to when the Playstation first launched, I remember a game called Bushido Blade, which had japanese voices with only english subtitles.
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But Bushido Blade was in 3D as in per SCEA's ideals back then, and then BB2 was in English, but who knows, times change.
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