i think this thread need to be locked because all i see is alot of Implying in here
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-your mother is a classy lady- you Aksys no Arcana Heart 3 for Xbox
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Noelpoem said:
Dude, seriously. You know the cost it would be for them to put out disc copies of it for 360? Then they'd have to pay voice actors, disc production costs, packaging, all that jazz. Maybe you think there is some huge audience for this game, but its mostly just the hardcore of the hardcore. If you're going to be mad, be mad at Microsoft's stupid policies. Not because Aksys isn't willing to go out on a dangerous limb that could result in major losses.MS doesn't require the game to have english voices, Aksys could release the disc version if they wanted to. but they seem to be hell bent on making it dlc only, thus it can only be done on PS3.
If they want to avoid losses then why bring niche japanese games??? they know these games don't sell all that well. however you don't see the european publisher cowardly only releasing the game on 1 console do you?
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Letters
MemberJasonPaul said:
Why do people think that yelling and screaming at Aksys is going to convince them to release AH3 on the 360?"Hey -your mother is a classy lady-! -your mother is a classy lady- off! I hope you all die of AIDS you -cuss word that got past the censor filter-! Now give me Arcana Heart 3 on 360!"
I mean, seriously, doesn't that sound a bit counterproductive?
Nope. However keeping quiet like you're suggesting would be counterproductive.
Consumer input (even the bad kind!) plays a very important roll in business and businesses who listen to their customer's complaints tend to fair better than those that just choose to put their fingers in their ears. If their customers are angry, they should know about it. Thinking otherwise is naive at best.
Also we have no reason to believe this was the choice of Microsoft or another company. Infact given the history of Microsoft's certication process, it most likely isn't. I'm putting my bets on it being an internal decision at Aksys. They probably didn't think the game is popular enough to risk the disc manufacturing investment. For a small game company like Aksys, one misstep can be devastating and I wouldn't blame them for playing it safe.
matty said:
Since it's being sold at retail in Europe they might release that as a download, but don't get your hopes then, either. If I read right from others about this, you can't download certain games from other regions even if you have an account in that region because the download itself is region protected. At least, that's how it is with the Xbox.
For example, I have a Japanese account on Xbox and can download demos, gamerpics, etc., but I cannot download a full game of Idolm@ster because my IP has to be in the Japan region. So, even if I had a Japanese console I probably can't download the full game because I'm in the U.S.
That's from what others have told me, so I can't confirm it myself.It's not restricted by IP so you could still purchase and download the game, but you won't be able to launch it. You'd get the same region error upon launching the game that you would get if you tried to put in the idolmaster disc into an NTSC-U console.
You're able to buy and play Japanese games on a J-360 with an American IP.Posted 1 year ago # -
DJ Daishi
Member-your mother is a classy lady- Arcana Heart...why isn't Railfan on the 360!?!
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Resident Fighting Game Troll- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afRkripSEhk&feature=channelPosted 1 year ago # -
PurpleDoom
MemberLetters said:
Nope. However keeping quiet like you're suggesting would be counterproductive.Consumer input (even the bad kind!) plays a very important roll in business and businesses who listen to their customer's complaints tend to fair better than those that just choose to put their fingers in their ears. If their customers are angry, they should know about it. Thinking otherwise is naive at best.
While customer input can and should play a role in business' decision making, it's not always the safest thing to go on, and angry customers doesn't necessarily mean bad sales - for all they know, there's only a few very vocal angry customers and the rest of the community is fine with it. Isn't it riskier to pander to those few than it is to simply do what they know they can do and probably make a profit on?
Also, I don't think he's implying so much that people should stay quiet as he is suggesting that people should be a bit more polite in their approach. Polite, backed-up requests are taken a lot more seriously than angry posts loaded with little other than insults.
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kasumi1970
MemberI won't be so mad about Arcana Heart 3 if this game was only made for the PS3 in Japan, but it not, it was made for both the x box 360 and PS3. if there 2 version of a game made it should come out for both system. also it makes no sense to ignore the x box 360 . it is the largest HD console market in the USA. the PS3 is 3rd in the USA and the 360 is 2nd and his been the number one selling console for 11 months only in Dec did the wii beat the 360. this going by the NDP. I still say Aksys going to lose money by it being PSN only.
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kasumi1970
Memberkaingarland said:
MS doesn't require the game to have english voices, Aksys could release the disc version if they wanted to. but they seem to be hell bent on making it dlc only, thus it can only be done on PS3.If they want to avoid losses then why bring niche japanese games??? they know these games don't sell all that well. however you don't see the european publisher cowardly only releasing the game on 1 console do you?
I agree with you 100%
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kaingarland said:
MS doesn't require the game to have english voices, Aksys could release the disc version if they wanted to. but they seem to be hell bent on making it dlc only, thus it can only be done on PS3.If they want to avoid losses then why bring niche japanese games??? they know these games don't sell all that well. however you don't see the european publisher cowardly only releasing the game on 1 console do you?
Have you stopped to consider that maybe we're all wrong about the reason this game isn't on the 360 and that it might not be Aksys' fault? They fought tooth and nail just to get this game in the U.S. in the first place. Shouldn't we be thanking them regardless? Besides, it's not as if Aksys has loyalty to one company or another. Sure the 360 fanboys may point at this being a reason that Aksys is biased toward Sony, but Sony fans would point at the Agarest debacle as a reason that they're biased toward Microsoft.
The point I'm making is, they tried to get this on the 360 and couldn't do it for whatever reason. Maybe it was Aksys' choice. Maybe not. But do you know for certain? Do you work at Aksys or have a friend who works at Aksys? They're aware they have a lot of fans who own 360s (as evidenced by Deathsmiles) and wouldn't risk pissing all over that fanbase unless they had no choice. I'd love to see Aksys find a way to release this on the 360 somehow, someway, sometime, but you're making assumptions, and I think we all know what happens when you assume...
And never say never. It didn't look like the 360 was going to get Agarest at first, but it eventually did. Of course, that just opened up a whole other can of worms, but that's beside the point.
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RedEagleEX
Memberkasumi1970, as much as I like to agree with your statement for Xbox360, you have to truly blame the fans for why Localization Companies (And Japanese Developers) are bringing more Japanese Related type games to the PS3 in terms of what makes more money.
Lets start with Tales of Vesperia. A Xbox360 Exclusive for North America.
When that game launched in North America, do you know how much it sold in 4 days?
33,000 Copies (Source: http://www.next-gen.biz/features/august-sales-in-depth?page=0%252C2%2C2 )
Really? The first Tales games in HD coming to the Number 1 HD Console in America...managed only 33,000 Copies at launch?
Now I know what you are thinking...that game wasn't heavily advertised or something like that. Fair enough. I will give you that. So lets try a game that WAS heavily advertised.
Such as Final Fantasy XIII. Microsoft heavily advertised this game in North America.
So we have 2 advantages here:
1) Microsoft has the MOST HD consoles in North America
2) Microsoft has the most (if not exclusive) advertising for Final Fantasy XIII in North AmericaIt would make sense that the Xbox360 version will clearly outsell the PS3 version in America.
Launch Sales:
Xbox360: 500,000 Copies Sold
PS3: 800,000 Copies Sold(Source: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1084078p1.html )
...and yet the Xbox360 still sold less despite its clear advantage over the PS3 in terms of which console version should sell the most.
You are very correct kasumi1970 that the Xbox360 has the most installed userbase in North America and in theory...should sale a lot.
The problem however lies in the fact that...majority of the userbase for Xbox360 could care less about Japanese made games.
So why cater to a major console such as Xbox360 if majority of that userbase will ignore Japanese made games? Especially a game such as Arcana Heart 3 where we both can agree that majority of Xbox360 users don't even know what Arcana Heart series is.
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Eelcire
Member@JasonPaul I find it hard to believe that a US publisher would have to fight tooth and nail to get a game over here (and only manages to get the PSN version), while the European counterparts are getting retail releases on both platforms.
As you pointed out, we all know nothing. We can only speculate based on whatever policies we think the publishers and the console manufacturers have. The best we can do is continue to voice dissatisfaction over the current arrangements.
Will this help get a change in release? I can only hope. But at the very least I would hope Aksys strongly considers against any fragmented releases in the future. Or at least be more aware that gamers into niche games are also more likely to import; as such it would be more beneficial to support systems that are not import friendly (not trying to diss on the PSN release).
I am thankful that Aksys is a publishing company that brings over niche titles. Purchased Agarest War and Deathsmiles from them. That doesn't mean I should at least be thankful for the Arcana Heart 3 release.
@RedEagleEX The solution would be to release on BOTH platforms, as was released originally. Let's take a look at your Final Fantasy XIII example. You would be correct in the fact that the PS3 version did sell more. Yet the case is that S-E released on both platforms and got the sales from both in the end. They must've been happy with the numbers they got as the sequel is also getting released on both platforms.
And while you like pointing out the numbers game, why did Arc System Works bother to release the game, in Japan, on the Xbox 360? Even if the PS3 version sales more, the Xbox 360 version (if it ever got released in NA) would probably be not that different. Look to MvC3's recent sales. The numbers were almost identical. There's a fan base on both systems, and both should get the opportunity to support the game.
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kasumi1970
MemberJasonPaul said:
Have you stopped to consider that maybe we're all wrong about the reason this game isn't on the 360 and that it might not be Aksys' fault? They fought tooth and nail just to get this game in the U.S. in the first place. Shouldn't we be thanking them regardless? Besides, it's not as if Aksys has loyalty to one company or another. Sure the 360 fanboys may point at this being a reason that Aksys is biased toward Sony, but Sony fans would point at the Agarest debacle as a reason that they're biased toward Microsoft.
The point I'm making is, they tried to get this on the 360 and couldn't do it for whatever reason. Maybe it was Aksys' choice. Maybe not. But do you know for certain? Do you work at Aksys or have a friend who works at Aksys? They're aware they have a lot of fans who own 360s (as evidenced by Deathsmiles) and wouldn't risk pissing all over that fanbase unless they had no choice. I'd love to see Aksys find a way to release this on the 360 somehow, someway, sometime, but you're making assumptions, and I think we all know what happens when you assume...
And never say never. It didn't look like the 360 was going to get Agarest at first, but it eventually did. Of course, that just opened up a whole other can of worms, but that's beside the point.
Why should 360 owner be thinking Aksys regardless for a game that they cannot play without buying a new system when the game came on the 360 in japan? but sony fan can still play Agarest and Battle Fantasia on the ps3 it just not on disk. I would be a lot more think-full if Aksys would release Arcana Heart 3 on the 360 at a lately date. even if it had to be censored......if that why it not on the 360 yet in the us. but i don't think that the reason.
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PurpleDoom
MemberThings work different ways in different regions with different publishers. Sure, Arc managed to get the game a multiplatform release in Japan. Turns out in Europe, it was also possible for Zen to release the game on both platforms. In America, things happened differently and, whatever the circumstances, only a PSN release was possible. They're not obligated to release the game exactly as it was in Japan, you know. It can be disappointing, sure, but it's a far cry from the injustice and tragedy so many people are making it out to be. It's just how the industry works, and crying about it isn't going to do anyone any good.
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Eelcire
MemberPurpleDoom said:
Things work different ways in different regions with different publishers. Sure, Arc managed to get the game a multiplatform release in Japan. Turns out in Europe, it was also possible for Zen to release the game on both platforms. In America, things happened differently and, whatever the circumstances, only a PSN release was possible. They're not obligated to release the game exactly as it was in Japan, you know. It can be disappointing, sure, but it's a far cry from the injustice and tragedy so many people are making it out to be. It's just how the industry works, and crying about it isn't going to do anyone any good.It's the fact that things turned out differently that have caused some people to be concerned about the release. Keeping silent does no one good either, and for the most part I'm seeing civil comments.
Whatever the reasons may be, Aksys seems unable to comment on their dealings and as such all we can do is let them know this particular release is not ideal or in their best interests for future releases.
This seems also a good time to remind people to email Zen United info@zen-united.biz and push for a region free release. As long as fans get a chance to play, that is the primary goal; convenience in purchasing is only secondary.
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RedEagleEX
MemberEelcire: Regarding Final Fantasy XIII. Did I not state that Microsoft HEAVILY advertised this game in North America. (Or if anything, was exclusive advertiser for Final Fantasy XIII in North America).
Had Microsoft did not do such advertisting for the Xbox360 version of Final Fantasy XIII, do you think they would even obtained half the numbers that they did at launch in North America? I don't think so. They would be lucky to have sold 150,000.
Knowing that Microsoft spent big on advertisting on Xbox360 of Final Fantasy XIII, how would a game like Arcana Heart 3 fair in Xbox360 without anyone advertisting it.
Well...we probably get Tales of Vesperia sales or even WORSE. (This is why I listed Tales of Vesperia on my last post Eelcire. Tales of Vesperia and Arcana Heart 3 share the same situation assuming that Arcana Heart 3 were to release in North America.)
Now onto Marvel vs Capcom 3. Where exactly did you get that the two sold identically or close to it?
Capcom refuses to publish the North American numbers of platform specifics. We only get a total number which is 790,200 copies COMBINED.
(Source: http://gamingeverything.com/?p=2319 )
So since we can't use North American numbers I will just go ahead and use Japan's Sale Numbers instead for Marvel vs Capcom 3.
PS3: 67,187
360: 13,799Of course...we both know its unfair to use Japan as a way to translate how the sales will occur for North America.
Which of course is no different from you saying the numbers of Marvel vs Capcom 3 sold almost identically in North America...without any proof/source what so ever.
So since we don't have any real numbers to play with between Xbox360 and PS3 sales for Marvel vs Capcom 3 in North America...lets just use a gaming peripheral that Aksys Store sales in the USA to determine which system would atleast "theoretically" have the most software sales in terms of if Arcana Heart 3 were to be released on PS3 and Xbox360 in North America.
http://www.aksysgames.com/store/
On their store they have the BlazBlue Arcade Sticks for Xbox360 and PS3.
Now no matter what you want to use, they either had 1500 made each per system (Total of 3000) or they had 750 made each per system (Total of 1500). Use whatever number you like.
As we can see, as of April 18th 2011, The PS3 BlazBlue Arcade Sticks have been SOLD OUT. The Xbox360 BlazBlue Arcade Sticks...are still in stock.
So take it as it is, no matter how you can spin it Eelcire...those are Arcade Sticks that are sitting in a warehouse not being sold and not making a profit for Aksys Games.
With that said, why would Aksys Games go ahead and green light making Xbox360 Discs for Arcana Hearts 3...if majority of the discs won't even be sold and just sit in a warehouse like the BlazBlue Arcade Sticks for Xbox360?
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Eelcire
MemberRedEagleEX said:
...So, basically you're stating that you don't want Aksys to bring Arcana Heart 3 to North America because you think there is no market? Am I reading you correctly?
Well good news! It isn't happening. Aren't you glad?
edit: look, I'm not dismissing your points completely. But when people are desiring something and posts like yours come in, it makes me question what your motives are. Any examples you have brought to the table (or I or anybody else for that matter) are mere interpretations of that person.
Posted 1 year ago # -
ValkyriaXEdge
Membersee this is just slowly turning into a 360 vs ps3 flame war i knew it god come on now right you don't get the game you want so you point the finger at aksys and you can call yourself fans Really they tried they best you can't always get what you want it life I want Valkyria chronicles back on the ps3. Is it going to happen? Don't see it happening. I want idolm@aster on the ps3 or get picked up for the US. Well that happen? Can't really say now can I. I can take civil talk about this matter but go on implying Aksys did a half ass job or didn't try at all sounds like fanboyness to me call me a fanboy all you want. Oh and saying that arc will lose money just because its not on the 360 really
To say that is LOLz and really makes you sound butt hurt not everything needs to be on the 360 and sell well and before you even hit me with that fans already imported WORNG not everyone has the money or just wanted to wait for a US release. Like i said i can understand some are upset and want to debate about this or have CIVIL talk about but going on saying FU arc like the title of this as a fan of aksys i can't sit back and watch.
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