Wow I thought this game was balenced until I fought Jin.

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Wow I thought this game was balenced until I fought Jin.

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Valkerion
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So ive been hyped about this game for a year, and with 12 characters I assumed it would be super balenced like everyone in interviews and previews said. So I get the game and am having fun, jump online and run into nothing but Jin players. Having not played him yet I dint mind. Then after 2/3 rounds with them, HOLY -your mother is a classy lady- i mean did they make the game specificly for Jin to be stronger than everyone else?

I mean it would be bad enough with all his freezing attacks but with that they made the same attacks that can stop you cold strong as a 5 hit combo from anyone else. Let alone the freaking ice ride thing which not only lets him get to the other side of the screen but allows a second attack. AND at throw that freeze which lets him set up for another freeze attack.

I woulnt mind if the freeze dint last as long as it does. I woulnt mind if it the recovery from the ice would happen faster when your spamming movements to get free. But his attack strength is just to effing huge for how little work it takes to use the guy.

I effing do a 18 hit combo with Litchi just to do 25% damage and a Jin player just has to do a Ice ride with C for the same or more damage F that.

Seriously even after I played him i realized how effing overpowered he was. Everyone is complaining about v-13 but at least you have a chance to get afew hits in on her before being stopped in your tracks.

Jin REALLY has to be patched to at least be a little bit weaker cause its rediculous. Every lvl 40 person is a Jin player Every person who is a high level that isnt "maining" jin has him as a sub.

I know you guys wanted to make a easy to use fun game but Jin is just to much. The only people who dont think this are the same people who are using him. Seriously I dint pay $60 and belive all your BS about balence just to get spammed to death by freezeing attacks. This -your mother is a classy lady- is worse than Sagat and Ken in Street Fighter 4.

And yes im -your mother is a classy lady- serious.

Posted 2 years ago #
Gen Eric Gui
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Jin is very easy to predict, especially the online spammers. He is in no way overpowered just because he's easy to spam. Learn to block his stupid -your mother is a classy lady- and you can punish everything he does.

And no, he is nowhere near the levels of SF4 Sagat. And Ken wasn't powerful in SF4, he was hilariously low-tier.

Posted 2 years ago #
Heavenscent
Biscuit Hammer

Sorry to hear you're having trouble against Jin players, but I find I have the easiest time against them (since everyone uses him).

The best advice I can give you is to learn what moves of Jin you can punish on whiff and block (though the same can be said for every opponent). For instance, it's pretty easy to instant block the second hit of his "ride the icening" move and punish that, or predict a projectile to air-dash in.

And I don't agree that every level 40 person mains or subs Jin. I'm over Lv.40, and I main Carl and sub Rachel (by mis-picking her instead of Carl, lol). Everyone I've fought who's over 40 is either Ragna, Rachel, Nu, or Arakune. =\

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Posted 2 years ago #
ThePretender
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It is possible to knock Jin off Ice Car. I'm not sure if you've tried timing your jumps so that you place the staff diagonally in the air, which would knock out that Ice Car. If you're frozen, just move the stick (or analog stick or D-pad) left to right, really quickly, without pressing any buttons.

Way I see it, approach Jin as you would a boss in any other type of game. Look for patterns in the fight style. If they're playing really predictably (which it looks like they are), devise a counter strategy. Use it, and back off after you're done. Rinse and repeat. I hope this helps.

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Posted 2 years ago #
PhaethonH
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Same complaints were heard first two months of arcade release -- "Jin too strong", "freeze is overpowered", "ice car hits/recovers too easy", "zomg go mashy for stupid damage", "how do you beat Jin?!".

What happened afterwards was interesting... what Jin had at the beginning was pretty much all he had -- as Gen Eric Gui points out, Jin players get predictable. Everyone else was able to adapt and grow, and do even more damage than Jin. Instant Guard the second hit of the B or C ice car, and Jin is vulnerable for a stupid long time. Bait the C uppercut, block it (even Barrier Guard) or dodge (back-dash/jump), and Jin is vulnerable for stupid long time. Full-screen projectile war? Instant Barrier Guard them to neutralize damage and gain Heat off of it (= get to do Distortion Drive), or jump over when you know they're coming and smack him upside the head (watch for that uppercut, though... if you can bait it, air Barrier Guard and retaliate). If you trade hits with Jin, any freeze effect is instantly canceled (stick out long, safe attacks a lot!). Granted, these are somewhat advanced techniques, but they devastatingly punish Jin, and Jin can't retaliate as hard.

If the console community goes anything like the arcade's, in two months you'll be hearing Jin players complain how under-powered he is. And you may laugh, then. Until then, things will be a little bumpy.

fwiw, I started with Jin on arcade, and switched to Carl for the very reasons I listed above (including people laughing at me...).

Posted 2 years ago #
DJ Daishi
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I personally find most Jin players way too predictable. For example, whenever they decide to spam Ice Car I either counter it with Nu's 5C, 2C, or catch him out of it with an air grab which always makes them -your mother is a classy lady- their pants.

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Posted 2 years ago #
LuciferD666
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I'm sorry,I've learn to beat any character in blazblue.Jin well yes I can predict him well,thanks to my 360 control Even If i wanted to I cant spam anyway(but i won't im just saying that playing the 360 control can mess me up sometimes.). Neither will i. The only thing I would probably do is grab twice to do an astral heat(ya know one to get you lower than 25 percent and one so when your frozen,freeze eternally makes it where you can't jump.)

But I do agree that BB is un balanced. the thing you got wrong is that it is in not just jin, its all the characters. I never noticed how many invincibles this game has.

people will do a inferno divider just so when your airdashing them with an attack it won't work.they made it were haku men can't zanshin on tripping moves(really?its not like his counters are that dangerous).Sometimes if ragna has you by the wall the only way out of his pressure is to do an invincble or doning a distortion drive and hope the one you did is counted as invincible.Bangs jump kick pressure loop make it where you want to take a hit after jumping so it dosen't continue to break you shield.or if your a haku men player than you can only zanshin out of or dare i say if ragna than ID out of it.tons of other invincible problems to.what my biggest prob is with them do is thinking you did a move to hit the person and then it is just sided for an invincible.The only invincibles i accept are the ones that actually start out evasive and then are chained into an attack for example haku-mens demon step or some of noels chain revolver. although i actually tried to hit her a good distance with haku mens slash attacks and some don't register and instead punish me for staying there. Thats why I cant belive it but I probably will be playing kof 12 more than this. Cause at least thay don't have invincibles(or at least ive never seen or done one)and you practicaly cant spam.BB is still good and stuff and I'm proud in getting it.It is the best game I have bought since GOW2.But I need less invincibles and kof seems to have none.

Posted 2 years ago #
Heavenscent
Biscuit Hammer

I don't understand the complaint about the invincible moves. It's not like they're invincible the entire time. Most, if not all, of those moves have a significant recovery on them. You just gotta predict the move, block (whether is be normal, instant, or barrier) and punish.

For instance the Inferno Divider vs. airdash, that's a viable counter. Next time, don't airdash, block the attack, and punish. As for Zanshin, you just gotta use it while ducking against low attacks.

And also, each attack in this game has high, mid, or low properties—where some attacks are completely invulnerable to certain properties. For instance, Rachel's 6A has high invulnerability and Hakumen's 6B has low invulnerability.

And not to slight KOF12 (I'll be buying it too), but I guarantee there will be spam there as well—its Critical Counter system lends itself to C spam once it's active, since C can be spammed without penalty. Once CC is achieved, it becomes a turtling game, one where the player with CC active will try to fish for a counterhit and the opposing player will be on the defensive.

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Posted 2 years ago #
Adonaeus
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Seems like people whine about Jin and a few other characters too much. I guess it's to be expected, as whiners are present in any online experience. I still think that the caliber of BlazBlue online players is massively above the rest, however.

Posted 2 years ago #
Singaki
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YOOOOOO!!!! im back. (lot of new topics to talk about...). Sorry I'll have to agree with Lucifer and Valkerion. I know you have to predict the invincables but once their done it can be stopped because their instantly started. Like for example Inferno Divider, one of Ragna's moves, can be instantly done when after knocked on the ground.

And not only are they instant but powerful. People aren't whining i'm sorry to say this though (because i like BB alot) but take it from a person that never plays Ranked and has beaten 50s and 40s and a fellow Jin player (my level: current at post 15) Blazblue is a very unbalanced game. I beat players by spamming invincables in their face (and feeling sorry) I really don't call myself a good player (but a pussy) for playing BB because of it's unbalanced gameplay. Guilty Gear was better in balance

When KOF XII comes out I going to stop playing this game all togrther because you can't spam on KOF and players are actually gonna know how to fight and play a real fighter. You can't spam with the "Critacle Counter" (me observing players doing it) because it's unpredictable for both sides of players. Whoever presses the button first is the winner their for in battles a clash like "Critacle Counter" would rarely occure. And I feel tthat if I lose battles in KOF that I actually fought someone with my skill. Crital Counters are cool to watch and do. KOF XII to me is better than BB in graphics and gameplay. (and a little story to...)

(my opinions)

And the "HELL BEAST" says- GOD is my -BEST- friend...

Posted 2 years ago #
Gen Eric Gui
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You can't spam in KoF

Ahahaha. You can spam in any fighting game ever. And it will generally beat low-level players every time, because most of them don't know how to get around spam, hence why you get droves of them roaming around calling the tactic cheap. You being able to beat a lot of -your mother is a classy lady- players because you can spam moves against them doesn't make the game unbalanced, it just means you've never fought against a decent opponent. You try that -your mother is a classy lady- with an even lightly seasoned opponent and you will get trashed.

You will get exactly the same caliber of opponent in KoFXII as you will get in this game; shmucks who spam moves over and over because it wins against the computer and thus will obviously win against human players.

Posted 2 years ago #
Singaki
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Yeah their are alot of players you csn find that spend their life finding ways to spam in any fighting game. So I guess I was wrong about KOF XII not having them. But in gameplay I still think theirs less things to spam in KOF XII. 1 more upper about KOF XII is that it doesn't have invincables that people just rely on the whole match just because I know people can't get out of a combo.

And the "HELL BEAST" says- GOD is my -BEST- friend...

Posted 2 years ago #
CrimsonCalibur
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Singaki said:
\1 more upper about KOF XII is that it doesn't have invincables that people just rely on the whole match just because I know people can't get out of a combo.

I thought Kyo's anti air had invincible frames on start up. Anyway there is nothing wrong with having invincible frames in BlazBlue and if someone gets caught by a move with invc. frames over and over again it's their own fault. Every character in BB has mays to completely decimate their opponent no matter how bad the match-up may be. Aksys has done a great job balancing this game dude, people just need to give themselves a chance to get better at it before complaining.

Posted 2 years ago #
Singaki
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CrimsonCalibur said:

I thought Kyo's anti air had invincible frames on start up.

Your right that invincables are not wrong in any game but I just don't get why when a characters sprite is directly hit the invincible wins like nothing happened. I get Ragna's because his frame starts up as soon as it the command hits. Jins "Violent Ice" is no exception. And I've played many fighting games (Bloody Roar, Sengoku Basara XCross, Battle Fantasia, Guilty Gear, KOF) and to me none of them are as unbalanced as Blazblue is now. I hope in the future titles it will have (more) balance in the characters they choose.

For right now i'm happy with BB (i'd even put it above KOF 11). As this being said I get CrimsonCalibur point. Theirs nothing wrong with BB but I don't see myself playing a game so unbalaced for long. It's not like Mori can make updates to change the games balancing (I don't even think he wants to). So this will be my last post to this thread. Hope to see a better BB someday.

And the "HELL BEAST" says- GOD is my -BEST- friend...

Posted 2 years ago #
Gen Eric Gui
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I just don't get why when a characters sprite is directly hit the invincible wins like nothing happened.

Because they're invincible? That's kind of what invincible means.

This game is one of the better balanced fighters out there. The worst matchup in the game (Tager vs V-13) is still very winnable, while several of the games you listed as "much better balanced" have matchups that make that one look perfectly fair(GGXX Slayer vs. Potemkin was just a massacre). Methinks you need to play the game a little more before declaring it a failure.

Posted 2 years ago #
LucidDreamz
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I don't think that anything about BlazBlue is unbalanced. The way the game matches different characters is what makes it feel like somethings are impossible to avoid. I play with Tager and I fought a Jin recently. I must admit it felt like the cheapest fight but I knew that he could be beaten. Once someone learns a certain string of combos they use that until it doesn't work anymore plain and simple. Its up to the fighter to figure out what the hell is going on and how to react that's all.....Overall BlazeBlue is the ISHHHHHH!!!!!

Posted 2 years ago #
CrimsonCalibur
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Singaki, you still seem confused on how a move with invincible start-up frames can go through your attacks even though you acknowledge the fact that it has invincible frames... come on man.

Also I dont see how people think they know enough about a game to call it unbalanced as if they've mastered it inside and out already. There were similar complaints about SF 4 during the first week of release about how several characters were "cheap". The fact of the matter is that we are all still learning the game (unless you've been playing it at the arcade all this time). It takes way more than just a few weeks before you can really talk about any balancing issues. Get GOOD at the game first.

Posted 2 years ago #
Ulqu1orra
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yea this game the is balanced tah "pooh"! jin is just 1 of the fastest characters he has lots of moves that leave him open to punishment the likes of which are his drive moves if u dont see them coming then u r a NOOB! like previously stated every character has there own way of owning there oppenent if u can find it and learn to addapt. for exapmle jin has to bewary of hakumen since hakumen has great air manuverablity which will punish jin for carelessly using his long recovery moves (any move that doesnt hit the opponent) and rachel carl litchi and v13 have AMAZING field control which u must overcome also. SO lets all just agree that this game is the "pooh" and have no more complaints unless ur fighting unlimited characters

Posted 2 years ago #
Ulqu1orra
Member

omg i have to say this first if u think this game is unbalanced u need to play ggXX them ull have something to b***h about the difference in strength of charecters and combos were crazy dont get me wrong i love gg and always will but a finly tuned sol badguy will never lose to potemkin and AXL-LOW is the king of fighters mofo!!!!!

Posted 2 years ago #
Gen Eric Gui
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Um, Potemkin has always been mid-tier until Accent Core where he became top; he has a pretty good chance against anyone(Well, he completely DOMINATES Slayer but that's beside the point). If you think a good Sol can beat a Potemkin no questions, you've never seen a good Potemkin(Or you've never played Accent Core or something).

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