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1. 

   linkon
   Member

   Record of Agarest War is $60 for 360. This is the collector edition.

   Collector's edition can be $10 to $40 more (some extreme case can be much worse). Given the bonus content, I think the value of extra good is about $15.

   So, a normal edition of the game should sell for $45. However, the PS3 version is also the digital version. Digital version means:

   - no physical disc (i.e. lower perceived value)
   - cannot resell, no resale value
   - No store discount. For retail games, you have multiple retailers to choose from and often you can find at least one that is discounting the game. For PSN, you only have 1 distributor. That distributor has a monopoly - which means game will be on sale less often.

   Almost everyone will buy the physical version if digital version cost the same, because physical copy has a higher real and perceived value. The 360 version is a collector's edition, which means a normal edition (if exists) should cost less at around $45-50. The PS3 version should start there, then lower the price accordingly to compensate the lower value of the digital version.

   Fortunately, it should be also cheaper for the publisher to distribute the game. I think a fairer price would be $30-35.

   I don't think I am the only one thinking this is overpriced. Here is all the comment I saw on a popular gaming forum regarding the PS3 version:

   - what a ripoff.
   - I'm amused how they left that detail unmentioned for so long.
   - Wow a savings of 15 dollars for a digital release with no tangible bonuses, lol. I had fear that that would do a $49.99 thing. Oh well, I guess Ill still be buying since Ive already put in the money into my PSN account X_x. Better have hundreds of hours of playtime
   - I was willing to pay 29.99. Oh well, time to wait for a price drop.
   - Wow, what a joke. I'm glad this game isn't the only reason I upgraded the hard drive on my PS3.
   - I paid like $48 shipped from gamestop.com with their 25 percent off code for the 360 bundle. viva la digital revolution!!
   - That price tag is a little too much, I was hoping for $30 or something.

   Posted 1 year ago #
2. 

   Speedstersonic
   Member

   First of all, you should wait and see how much of the dlc will be free, if it's over $15 worth, then cool.

   Secondly, most games are priced at $60 normally. I know this is an opinion, but I justify price of games as how much playtime and if I am enjoying that said playtime, and this game has well over 60 hours worth that I am sure I will enjoy since I am a fan of Compile Heart and the genre in general. I feel the price is pretty close to being right, $40 would have been nicer, but I took advantage of the target psn card deal, so I'm getting it for that anyway since I bought three cards.

   Third, be glad we're getting this game at all.

   Posted 1 year ago #
3. 

   WildArms
   Member

   we getting free dlc and it seems xbox users wont, and well, i think it would be better 40$ instead, but well, 5 dollars more... ive been waiting for this game since october, i think ill just pay those 5 bucks more and finally enjoy this

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   Posted 1 year ago #
4. 

   SuperTiso
   Member

   I was half expecting this game to retail for $19.99 on the PSN. Some reasonAksys decided to screw over the PS3 fanbase for what essentially an exclusive RPG for the system just to pander to the 360 crowd and give them extra bonuses up front.

   Does this company honestly expect people to drop $44.99 on a digital only game when for $10-15 more we could own a physical copy of it? I could import the European "Agarest: Genrations of War" for what I'm paying on the PSN. Who cares if the PS3 version gets the DLC for free. That's not in part of the digital only strategy, that's due to the differences between the online services where PSN is more likely to offer free content and XBL has to charge for said "free" content.

   This blatant disregard for my system of choice has me honestly contemplating returning my 360 version I bought just so I could have a North American physical version since now I'm not buying the PSN version in order to actually play the game.

   Posted 1 year ago #
5. 

   Gen Eric Gui
   Member

   Man you people are whiny. You got that game! In English! With stuff! Back in MY day, we didn't get any of those things with regularity!

   Posted 1 year ago #
6. 

   SuperTiso
   Member

   What good does the game do me if I can't play it on a system I don't own only because I wanted a physical copy of the game that I was planning to buy on my PS3 as a download? Who cares if it's in English or not? It was in English when it went to Europe. Simply refuse to believe there's some forbidden Sony law that prevents disc based games on the system without a English track.

   There's too much to disprove that notion (Yakuza 3, Way of the Samurai 3). I'm more inclined to believe it was due to reducing costs for making blu-ray copies. The price point for the game is what will drive most of their target audience away from it especially when there are better RPG alternatives out there to begin with. You release a niche game that most won't even realize came out on the 360, most won't bother to download on the PSN when they realize they need actually 18GBs instead of 10GB to download and fully install as well it costing $5 less than a typical Wii priced game.

   Posted 1 year ago #
7. 

   Dragonkingtatsu
   Member

   I'm not going to complain, but I'm also not ging to buy, at that price.

   Posted 1 year ago #
8. 

   WildArms
   Member

   SuperTiso said:
   I was half expecting this game to retail for $19.99 on the PSN.

   Rofl 19$ for a full ps3 game? funny.
   And since when you need 8 exta gigs to download and install a game? being ps3 or computer

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   Posted 1 year ago #
9. 

   fize4ever
   Member

   WildArms said:
   Rofl 19$ for a full ps3 game? funny.
   And since when you need 8 exta gigs to download and install a game? being ps3 or computer

   trine and section 8 are full psn games
   in my store section 8 worth 20$ and trine around 19$
   so yeah full games can be cheap

   Posted 1 year ago #
10. 

    RayMustang
    Member

    fize4ever said:
    trine and section 8 are full psn games
    in my store section 8 worth 20$ and trine around 19$
    so yeah full games can be cheap

    Yeah but Section 8 was -your mother is a classy lady- and Trine isn't quite popular
    Not everything can be a bargain bin

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    Posted 1 year ago #
11. 

    Capn
    Member

    Yes I created an account just to put my 2 cents in on this... anways...

    $45 is a very tough, large, and bitter pill to swallow. Sorry, but it is. I was greatly looking forward to getting this game, SRPGs happen to be my second favorite genre after turn-based RPGs. My expectations however was a price in the range of about $30-$35 though. $40 would of been the upper extream that I would ever consider. $45 makes me say pass.

    I'm very dissapointed, but no matter how much I like the look of a game there is still a line that if the price crosses I will not get it.

    I have a few reasons why.

    First of all, and which it looks like most agree on is digital only. The OP is right about the fact that a digital only release has a lower value to consumers than a physical copy. It's not $15 less than the XBox 360 version, it is $5 less. The $60 release is the special edition, when they release the standard edition I wouldn't be suprised to see it at $50? $10 is the standard price difference between a standard and a special release. The PS3 is supose to get some DLC free, but what and how much? Does the Xbox 360 get anything free also? Because things like themes, backgrounds, and avatars hold no value.

    Second is price drops. I gurantee you that the XBox 360 version will drop in price as retailers try and clear out store shelf space, it happens with every game. Digital distribution games rarely drop in price, sales are rare, and because there is no inventory there is no compelling reason for Sony to offer a sale. There is also the used game market. Sure, developers/publishers hate it, but consumers love it.

    Third is hard drive space. I believe it was officialy mentioned on here that the download would be around 10 GB. That's huge, and WILL take a long time to download. You can brag about how fast your PSN goes all you want, but for me that is a minimum of a full day to download. I only have an original 60 GB PS3 with 11 GB free. If this download is compressed and really needs 18 GB once fully installed as the OP suggested then I can't even get this game if I wanted to. I refuse to delete my other game data to make room, I do not want to un-install/re-install my games anytime I decide to play something else and because this is such a huge ass download it would be horrible to ever do that with this game. The alternative would be to have me spend over $100 buying both an external hard drive and a larger internal hard drive to upgrade my PS3. I would need the external drive because of a few developers choice to make their game saves protected. I am NOT going to loose 100+ hour game saves for this game.

    My last reason is probably trivial to most people who read these forums. Japanese only voices. I do not have a problem reading text in a game, but you also can not argue that Japenese players are getting more value out of the game than a foreign gamer who can't understand Japanese. It's no different than a Japanese gamer getting less value out of an imported US game that's all in English.

    Very long post I know, but that's my 2 cents. Sorry Aksys, but at $45 you've lost a sale. Keep the games coming, I just hope your management will reconsider in the future the price of a digital only game.

    Posted 1 year ago #
12. 

    WildArms
    Member

    *sigh* seriously, even if is expensive, is pretty sad just to put down stuff just because of that, i know money is hard to get and etc, specially for me since i dont live in the US and this cost twice for me, so i just have to work extra hard to get it, and ive been thinking, "woa i hope this game doesnt get pass 40$, i might doubt to get it if its after those 40$..." but well its 5$ more than i expected for it.
    But hell, ive been waiting for this a lot, and at least i know this money is going, not to a big money eater company that barely listen to their customers, but to aksys, that has been releasing great games ive always loved, even crazy, weird but good games some companies would really ignore, they have to fight with stuff like piracy because is a bigger hit for small companies, and well im hoping that paying that this will help them as well, so they can keep releasing more games like this.

    fize4ever said:
    trine and section 8 are full psn games
    in my store section 8 worth 20$ and trine around 19$
    so yeah full games can be cheap

    Did those games were released in blue ray before?, and have around 70 hours of gameplay? with a big plot and more than 10 characters?

    Capn said:

    Third is hard drive space. I believe it was officialy mentioned on here that the download would be around 10 GB. That's huge, and WILL take a long time to download. You can brag about how fast your PSN goes all you want, but for me that is a minimum of a full day to download. I only have an original 60 GB PS3 with 11 GB free. If this download is compressed and really needs 18 GB once fully installed as the OP suggested then I can't even get this game if I wanted to. I refuse to delete my other game data to make room, I do not want to un-install/re-install my games anytime I decide to play something else and because this is such a huge ass download it would be horrible to ever do that with this game. The alternative would be to have me spend over $100 buying both an external hard drive and a larger internal hard drive to upgrade my PS3. I would need the external drive because of a few developers choice to make their game saves protected. I am NOT going to loose 100+ hour game saves for this game.

    Im moving my ps3 to my living room temporaly, just to make it wired so i can download faster, and im sure it will take a full day even with that, i have a 30 gigs ps3, and have like 20 gigs free, i have like 15 ps3 games, just freaking delete the install of games you arent playing -.- and that thing about the 18 gigs is just an assumption of some mad dude around, at least i hope that, anyway i still have 12 gigs free if is 18 gigs, more than enough for 2 or 3 install of games, when i stop playing them i just delete the install, if i ever want to play again i just wait the freaking 5 minutes it takes to install and problem solved

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    Posted 1 year ago #
13. 

    Oceanborn
    Member

    What's all this crying about not being able to sell your game if you don't want it anymore? Create a seperate PSN Account for the game. If you don't want it anymore, just sell the account. No problem here.

    @Topic: How about you wait until we have an official price before complaining about it?

    Posted 1 year ago #
14. 

    Khalid
    Member

    Can't you guys on ps3 share this game between 5 persons?

    By the way the 360 can still be found online in Canada, but store hardly got any right now, they only had enough for pre-orders and maybe 1 extra copy. I don't think any price drop will be so soon.

    Posted 1 year ago #
15. 

    Oceanborn
    Member

    Yes we can (unless the game has this annoying DRM that forces you to be logged in the account that owns it to play and locks all other consoles for 24 hours after you've played it) but not everyone wants to share accounts (or has that many friends with a ps3, I only have 1 friend who has access to a PS3 and it isn't even his but his brother's girlfriend's)

    45$ would be too much for me too tbh, simply because I don't have that much money on my account left and won't buy another 50$ card just to get one game (and 20$ cards are way too expensive with what those eBay sellers want for them plus PayPal money conversion fees and all that stuff). But I'll just wait and see, if it's that much I'll just pass on the game. No crying required as 45$ still is a lot of playtime/$

    Posted 1 year ago #
16. 

    Capn
    Member

    Oceanborn said:
    @Topic: How about you wait until we have an official price before complaining about it?

    An official price has been stated by Belisarius, it is $44.99.

    http://www.aksysgames.com/forums/topic/449

    WildArms said:
    But hell, ive been waiting for this a lot, and at least i know this money is going, not to a big money eater company that barely listen to their customers, but to aksys, that has been releasing great games ive always loved, even crazy, weird but good games some companies would really ignore, they have to fight with stuff like piracy because is a bigger hit for small companies, and well im hoping that paying that this will help them as well, so they can keep releasing more games like this.

    Im moving my ps3 to my living room temporaly, just to make it wired so i can download faster, and im sure it will take a full day even with that, i have a 30 gigs ps3, and have like 20 gigs free, i have like 15 ps3 games, just freaking delete the install of games you arent playing -.- and that thing about the 18 gigs is just an assumption of some mad dude around, at least i hope that, anyway i still have 12 gigs free if is 18 gigs, more than enough for 2 or 3 install of games, when i stop playing them i just delete the install, if i ever want to play again i just wait the freaking 5 minutes it takes to install and problem solved

    Different games, different sizes. I play all my games somewhat regularly. I still put Oblivion and Fallout 3 in from time to time and they've been out a long time. I have a 1-year old in the house so I'm not able to play games for much more than an hour at a time. If I have to spend a quarter of that each time un-installing/re-installing game files ... just not worth it for me.

    In response to your comment about piracy ... last I knew no PS3 game has been pirated? I thought the system was still un-crackable. Someone got part of the way there, but not all the way, not far enough to copy games. If anything, the 'game sharing' with sharing accounts would argue against a PSN download in terms of piracy.

    I have nothing against people buying this game and enjoying it, just for me the total cost (both in money and other factors) is more than I'm personaly willing to pay for it.

    Posted 1 year ago #
17. 

    Oceanborn
    Member

    Oh damn sorry didn't see that. Too bad, no Agarest for me then. Should've given us the price a week earlier and I would have skipped Monkey Island ;)

    Posted 1 year ago #
18. 

    masuto
    Member

    You know you're gonna buy it anyway.

    Posted 1 year ago #
19. 

    Rogue Ninja
    Member

    linkon said:
    Record of Agarest War is $60 for 360. This is the collector edition.

    Collector's edition can be $10 to $40 more (some extreme case can be much worse). Given the bonus content, I think the value of extra good is about $15.

    Um... you do realize that the next printing, without the extras, will cost the same to buy right? The LE is selling for the standard Xbox game price. So PS3 users are getting it for $15 cheaper already.

    Also, a hundred hours of gameplay. A HUNDRED.

    Can I not elicit even a sarcastic quip?

    Posted 1 year ago #
20. 

    Capn
    Member

    Rogue Ninja said:
    Um... you do realize that the next printing, without the extras, will cost the same to buy right? The LE is selling for the standard Xbox game price. So PS3 users are getting it for $15 cheaper already.

    Also, a hundred hours of gameplay. A HUNDRED.

    Maybe ... people at Bioware were giving numbers between 80 and 120 hours for Dragon Age ... turned out to be about 45 hours for me to do everything =/ They counted you playing the game three full times, each time as a different class, to get that high of gameplay. I'm more interested in single playthrough time.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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