I'm only a Bang player so new DLC characters may not be my cup of tea. I am leaning back towards my original character of Ragna (That lasted for like a month or two in CT) but I get the DLC characters because others may want to play them. The more appealing the roster looks the more I can stave off retards trying to play SSFIV and the more people will become interested in BB:CS like it deserves.
I may buy the DLC characters just to support one of the last remaining true 2D fighting game developers.
It may be a 2D tax, but in the face of unappealing 3D models; I'll pay it.
Sin
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Davin
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The portrait, sigil, and music assets were on the disc already. So? Those are amongst the easiest assets for them to produce in advance of a release.
To actually produce a character, they have to spend the time on rough concept sketches for every action of the character, and then spend even more time drawing each individual frame of animation that comprises those actions. Yeah, the music rocks and it's already there. But it's way, way too easy too take for granted just how much work goes into characters as well animated as BB's.
Pay for them or don't, it's your money after all, but the "wah wah I'm the consumer I should get what I want" attitude for new characters demonstrates a lack of understanding for how much work goes into them...or just a lack of care. Not all companies have the budget to support Valve's post-release content at zero cost to you.
Gaming King
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midgard229 said:
dude u -your mother is a classy lady-???? hold on let me get this straight, ur mad because they decided to make more characters???? wud u rather them just release a 3rd game and these 3 characters would be the only new characters? wow u fail.they started making the characters after the game was done, the content isnt even on this disc lol. and ur gonna complain because they are gonna sell actual content.. what a cry baby.
Can we say "-your mother is a classy lady-" here?
Quig said:
This game is $40! A regular priced game is $60, so you have ($60 - $40 =)$20 left over to spend on the DLC if you want it...
It's a fighting game. You have to be a shooter to be $60. -_-'
But Super Street Fighter IV is only going to have 0-2 DLC characters. And it already added a frickin' boatload of characters. BlazBlue added three characters, at least one cheap, at least one hard to use, and one sucky. And is having three more as DLC. YOU HAVE TO PAY TO UNLOCK HALF OF THE NEW CHARACTERS. This is already hurting BlazBlue in reviews. It's getting eights while Super Suck Fighter IV got nines.
Griefy said:
I'm only a Bang player so new DLC characters may not be my cup of tea. I am leaning back towards my original character of Ragna (That lasted for like a month or two in CT) but I get the DLC characters because others may want to play them. The more appealing the roster looks the more I can stave off retards trying to play SSFIV and the more people will become interested in BB:CS like it deserves.
Ooh, I bet you guys are in trouble when Belisaur comes rampaging through here. X3
Davin
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Guess I was too tl;dr for that drive by attack. Oh well, I'll just spam some more then.
The only thing ASW did "wrong" was miscalculate just how much drama would be created by the perception of character DLC making it out of the pipeline so soon after the game hitting the market.
You can't directly compare SF4->SSF4 to BB:CT->BB:CS. Every time ASW pushes out a new game, they're not just adding new characters. They're doing an entire new storyline with art and voiceover work for every character, since it's a story heavy game unlike SF4. They need to save the major product releases for the story, not character updates. Capcom released the same game twice, with new characters and admittedly some improvements. SSF4 also has the advantage of also being a 3D platform, which simplifies the amount of work needed to generate all the animation assets for each character immensely. (and to a lesser extent, art and movie assets - higher resolution textures is an old hat trick)
Given the economic position of ASW, they're perfectly justified to work on new characters between releases and make them available for DL. Think of it as paying for the privilege of playing the game at least half a year earlier than we would have otherwise. If you don't want to pay, save your money for the next game, which will have the new characters anyway.
Yeah, I know. Nobody who is complaining about the DLC characters is going to care about these points...many won't even read the whole thing. As a consumer it's much easier to only skim the surface facts, and make steep demands because someone else seems to "do it better". Welcome to being the little guy.
Anyone who considers themself a longtime fan of ASW and has a problem with this should seriously sit back and think about this for a moment. ASW doesn't sit on numerous successful franchises and reap the profits from all of them. They're a smaller outfit. The economy has been hard on everyone the last few years, and folks are gruding them money because they made the "mistake" of releasing BB:CS with story content for the characters in the arcade release, and decided to start working on animating new characters for DLC after submitting the game for review.
But hey. If you only want ASW to re-release slightly more polished versions of the exact same game with new characters all in one shot, I guess you're doing a good job of sending the message.
Hopefully they'll be paying attention to the real lesson: people are greedy, and you have to forego immediate release of DLC characters in order to avoid the perception of "cheating" the customer. Better to make the fans have to wait for no other reason than maintaining good public image, y'know? :D
Quig
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Gaming King said:
This is already hurting BlazBlue in reviews. It's getting eights while Super Suck Fighter IV got nines.
How is this hurting the reviews of the game? DLC is not supposed to included in the reviews because it is additional, optional content. X-Play gave BB:CS a 4 out of 5, which is what BB:CT got. They also noted the rebalanced gameplay and the improvements to the system so Tager's not as cheap as he was in the first game. Street Fighter and Tekken have owned the fighting genre for years, no matter how flawed they might be, so they will always get the extra point from the fanboys.
They also noted the rebalanced gameplay and the improvements to the system so Tager's not as cheap as he was in the first game.
I don't ever ever remember Tager every being a problem. But I guess he was for most of you. My biggest problem was just the clap loops of Carl and being alloted 1 chance to get out of it. That was utter BS on all accounts.
Gaming King
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Quig said:
How is this hurting the reviews of the game? DLC is not supposed to included in the reviews because it is additional, optional content. X-Play gave BB:CS a 4 out of 5, which is what BB:CT got. They also noted the rebalanced gameplay and the improvements to the system so Tager's not as cheap as he was in the first game. Street Fighter and Tekken have owned the fighting genre for years, no matter how flawed they might be, so they will always get the extra point from the fanboys.
Tager's only cheap in CT if you're a n00b or a Ragna. And X-Play isn't a legitimate reviewer. You can't review games on a five-point scale with no decimals.
And reviewers piss and moan about there not being enough new characters. That is my point.
Also, Davin, give it up. I'm not reading that.
Quig
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njiska said:
The fact that score systems are completely irrelevant, what exactly makes you think that a 5 point system is invalid?
Exactly! Would you rather it be on a scale of 0 - 100? 0 - 10? Just because you don't find the ranking system to your liking does not mean that others find it as ineffective.
Noelpoem
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I can see where some people might be upset about this, but imo...squirrely underboob! Yay! Ahem...I mean, I love Makoto's personality...
I'll be getting all the dlc characters, but I'm a completionist where I can be (challenge mode :( )
Arc might have avoided some of this backlash if they'd held back a while longer to work on including a story and arcade mode for the characters. I know I'd love to see a story mode for Makoto, since story mode is what makes the series for me.
Bah, DLC characters will always beat DLC costumes. Arc came out front and announced their DLC characters instead of teasing us and going " Well MAYBE there will be DLC characters in a future patch or arcade release". If people feel ripped, no need to download it, keep on playing this fighting game jewel. It both extends the gameplay and matchup strategies and keeps us satisfied until BB-3 comes out or whichever project Arc is currently working on. it also shows us that they have a consistant creativity flow, seeing that they arent feeding is sprite clones as new characters or having featured boss characters being unplayable due to control and balancing issue.
And also consider some bugs fixed with upcoming patches and potential re-balancing at the same time in order to finally get - HAPPY ENDING :)
fuchikoma
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To me, I only really care about it if someone can use Makoto on you when you haven't bought her yourself. Even if she was the weakest character in the world, that's unfair. You shouldn't have to play a different game because someone bought more game than you. It would mean that you have an inferior version because all you did was go out and legitimately buy the game like any honest consumer.
I think they should have done a lot more though... At first, I saw her as a stupid greedy cash grab, being partly ready to go on the disc, and regardless of how long it takes to make a character, it sucks when any publisher has DLC already in the pipe when the game hits shelves, even if this is regrettably the norm. When a game is planned like this, you buy an incomplete game at retail (but... it IS priced as one at least. SFIV is the same here, but KoF XII? $70! No way - not even for $30...)
Then I played some story mode and went "holy -your mother is a classy lady-... I've never played a fighter with 1/10 this story... Yeah... I'd pay $8 to see Makoto's story. That's what, at least an hour or two of new material, and more background story on the library crew, then I can play her in arcade mode a bunch! Sweet!"
Then I saw that she has no story mode... ok, so I'd pay maybe $2-3 to fool around in arcade... but probably not because I avoid most DLC... Then I saw that she's not even usable in arcade mode, so even if she was included on the disc in the first place for free, I'd never even see her sprite. Utterly useless! At least I'm not grudgingly paying money for her, but it is a big letdown. So she's just for people who live online all the time then... no fun for us scrubs who don't know the game down to the last pixel.
They are updating the arcades right? So that means, there's going to have to be some kind of ending for each DLC character. Hopefully, the console versions are patched with the same, so we can use the DLC characters in arcade mode.
I'll say this once about that stupid street fighter remark.
BLAZBLUE IS A NEW SERIES!!!! OF COURSE IT CAN'T HAVE A BIG ROSTER COMPARED TO A SERIES THAT ALREADY HAD A SET OF ESTABLISHED CHARACTERS! NONE OF THE CHARACTERS IN SSFIV ARE NEW THEY WERE EXISTING. Aside from C. Viper, Juri, Hakan, Seth, El Furte, and Rufus...
So that is six characters that they added? The rest came are from the series already and aren't new. Some came from alpha, etc.
I get that the game is hurting in reviews, but it is a new series and it's not like they had several installments before. Besides you forget how long it took street fighter iv to come out compared to BB:CS.
Zachi2
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even though i have been here long, i can already tell that alot of people are having issues with 'reading' or 'researching' all you have to do is read the description of the DLC package before you buy it, instead of clicking the X button like a button masher. (Becasue you know, PSN is such a button mashing type)
the next thing that gets me, is that you all expect the DLC to be cheaper. i was expecting it to be a little more then 8$. a new skeleton, fighting style, art, voice acting. its something called WORK. and we need to PAY people who do WORK. yes, Blazblue could have been delay for a while, and inevitably jacked the price to 60$ because of the additional content put into it, but they figured, oh we would all be mature about it, buy it at 40 and not whine about stuff that we DONT HAVE TO BUY
and why would you buy the costume pack first. that's like the last thing you get, unless you plan on not buying anything else.
and as for the DLC characters, makoto kicks ass. and i dony expect the other heros to come out until (if their making it) the third game. i DO however expect Jubie to have a story. he's just that important
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